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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2008.11.11 00:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Khanak Hryad
Are you kidding me?
Amarr are stuck with mainly EM damage, a trivial amount of thermal, and absolutley no exp or kin unless missiles and drones are used.
Nowadays EM is one of best damage types to deal (almost tied with pure explosive).
Cba to respond to the rest of your post but: amarr are best race now and in some cases overpowered (zealot anyone?). And im saying this as mostly (some gall HAcs) amarr pilot. |
Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Cynic Tool
Originally by: Feng Schui
EM Damage has almost always been the best damage to deal to armor tankers.
Do any of you really think that people hardened against EM damage if they armor tanked? lol.
In fact, one of the LOWEST resists, on an armor tanker, is EM resists, unless they go full passive / eanm setup. In which case, Hi2U berserker II's.
And to this,
ARE YOU CRAZY???
Em used to be the WORST damage type for armor. Every race used to have a minimum of something like 60% on it base. Lasers wee made to destroy shields. Everyone knows the best on armor is explosive or thermal.
Yes - but only on t1 ships. Now go into t2:
3 races tank thermal (caldari, gall, minmatar)
3 races tank kin (caldari, gall, amarr)
1 race tanks explo (amarr)
1 race tanks EM (minmatar)
Suddenly explo and EM become 2 best damage types. And if you consider that every t2 armor tank (except amarr) uses explo hardener - you get ~60% on explo and 50% on EM resist. Even after adding 1-2x eanm and DC EM is still lowest resist. Here you go - your damage of choice vs most t2 ships: EM.
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2008.11.12 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 12/11/2008 11:41:34
Originally by: Amy Wang
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Nowadays EM is one of best damage types to deal (almost tied with pure explosive).
last time I looked the most popular tanking setup was plates, trimarks and an omni tank of dcu/eanms which has EM resist as highest resist still despite the base resist changes 
WTS: reading lessons for you
Did you miss the part where i stated that its best vs t2 ships? For t1 doesnt matter - just hit them till they die.
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o yea i see you are one of those "ill respond to random post from start of the discussion before reading thru rest of it" guys. Next time do your homework and read it all or dont bother responding.
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2008.11.12 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 12/11/2008 12:11:12
Originally by: Zenrir
I just love how u left out the majority of shiptypes to make your argument fit. Just because someone pointed out that flaw and made u look like a fool doesnt give u the right to exclude him from the discussion.
there are more-less same amount of t1 and t2 ships in game.
But if you wish: all laser boats getting damage (so pretty much ones used in pvp, with exception of apoc who gets range instead of damage) will have a bit of advantage over ships of their own class (DPS wise). They also are able to care nice artray of drones or secondary damage systems that enable them to deal explo (achilles heel of most omni-armor tanks).
Examples?
Geddon - huge DPS + large drone bay = no problem with "omni armor tanks" (all depends on start range)
Abaddon - never heard it had problems with omni tanks
Omen - ****ty cruiser tbh (tier2) but still one of hardest hitters in its cattegory. Also never heard that they had problems breaking other cruiser ships. Also has drone bay and missile launcher slot (hard to fit tho)
Harbinger - called one of best BCs in game. Wonder why - all it got is laser damage which surely shouldnt work vs omni-tanked BCs. 50m3 drone bay.
Frigs? meh - lack of pure "damage dealer" frig.
And thats it from t1 amarr ships who have comparable classess. Only problem is on frig vs frig level - on other levels amarr ships are very comparable or even better than their counterparts in other races arsenals.
So tell me now - where do lasers suck or EM damage is bad?
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 12/11/2008 14:05:28
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
So tell me now - where do laser boats suck or EM damage is bad?
1. Omen hardest hitter? You ever tasted the wrath of a thorax for example?
I wrote "one of" not "the". Yes i know that blasterboats are better DPS wise than laser boats in every category. Still doesnt negate the fact that bboat and laserboat can go toe-to-toe in a fight.
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2. Those ships you mention are good regardless of dmg type.
And thats the point. Suddenly it doesnt matter if i use EM damage - its good. Whats better supposedly "bad EM damage vs armor tanks" holds its own ground there. Point proven?
And some info: i know that lasers are pretty crap when used on non-damage bonused ships. but tbh so are other weapons (with small exception of ACs used on some setups to save cap or just to fit them like on ishtar).
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3. What is the retribution then if it's not a pure damage dealer frig?
I was only listing t1 ships because guy i quoted said i ignored them. And like i posted before: for t2 vs t2 amarr ships are even better off due to way people usually tank them (post somewhere on page 2).
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres
Originally by: Kingwood
Edited by: Kingwood on 12/11/2008 06:50:25
Gotta love it how Caldari players, who complained about the nanocraze the most, are complaining about the nerf now.
Leave my Lasers and my Zealot alone, kthx.
While many of the complaints were based on silliness you have to understand that Caldari represented the LEAST nanoable race and had the LEAST effective weapons against the nano. I had to use frigate missiles to even hope to harm nano ships with any regularity and even then there were instances where the damage could be safely ignored.
Or for example use web. Or a friend with web. Even better if he could use rapier/huginn/hyena. Also caldari ships maybe were hardest to nano but WHEN nanoed they were one of better constant damage dealers.
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